December 7th, 2008
The purpose of the oath is to publicly announce and record one's loyalty to the established order. That is fatally undermined if the oath itself is not in the language of the established order.
Sio - a newish MP - has a problem with taking an oath in anything other than Samoan from the press reports. It's a big day for him and he wants special treatment. Well there are 121 others who aren't demanding special consideration because they are foreigners. He wants to publicly announce and record his loyalty to Samoa? to Samoans? That is effectively what he is doing.
It is discourteous to wish to change the procedures and the tradition - and indeed the law - just because he's an electorate MP now - on that basis alone he has no mandate, but to demand to swear his oath of office in a foreign language is beyond that, it's insulting.
I recall that newbies in the Greens, like Nandor, have tried to change the oath when they were taking it - possibly Meteria Turei also. I think they added "and Te Tiriti o Waitangi" to their oaths and were made to repeat it without it by the Clerk. I think that was in his first term. I applaud them for that actually - they made their point on that occasion. But what Sio is suggesting is entirely another matter.
He boasts that Samoan is the second most spoken language in Mangere. Well, I dare say Afrikaans is in East Coast bays, and Chinese is in Mt Albert. What of it? The Labour MP Harry Dynhoven renewed his Dutch citizenship (and should have been kicked out of parliament for having done so but was saved by Jonathan Hunt and Labour). Did he demand to be sworn in - in Dutch? No. Ashraf Chaudray? Rajeen Prasad? Pansy Wong? No.
Sio must understand that he is joining a tradition of New Zealand. His oath is that he is joining the tradition - not changing it unilaterally - and certainly not altering it to include elements of a foreign nation.
Many things need to change about parliament, like the opening prayer, but I can't see a Samoan voting to dump institutional Christianity. I have said it often enough - if you want to be an MP you have to renounce your citizenship of other nations. This sort of thing happens when you don't have this rule. It's nefarious.
ZB reporting:
Labour's Sua William Sio has received a letter from Parliamentary Services rejecting his request to be sworn in in Samoan because of limited time. He says he is going to Parliament not just as an MP for Mangere, but for all Samoans and it is the second most spoken language in his electorate.
Idiot/Savant:
This is needlessly shitty. As a tolerant, diverse, and multicultural nation, New Zealand should not be engaging in this sort of puerile linguistic imperialism. Something as simple as an oath or declaration should be able to be made in any language, not just English or Maori.
Please. Puerile is apt all right - of Sio and I/S. What a preposterous precedent that would set. Would a person who came from NZ demand to swear an oath in Maori in the Samoan parliament? Does the Premier of South Australia (a New Zealander) demand to swear his oath in Maori? Please. Imperialism!? The only colonisation going on here is by Samoans. He is swearing an oath to New Zealand and New Zealanders - not Samoa and Samoans. I think he forgets that. It is in times of multiculturalism and diversity that common bonds are needed more than ever.
Sio can't stomp around in the wharenui in his gumboots. Even if that's what they do in Samoa. It is not intolerant or "needlessly shitty" to inform new members that there is a set procedure. If the procedure in Samoa lasts all day and is conducted in Samoan then it would be discourteous of any new Samoan MPs to demand that because they come from New Zealand that three of them want to cluster around the clerk and make their sacred incantations NZ-style in English or Maori very quickly and then shuffle off without observing the same tikanga as everyone else. That would be unacceptable.
Indulgences are taken elsewhere - especially in valedictory speeches - where the normally strict protocols are loosened, but swearing the oath of office isn't one of those moments, it is an important constitutional issue.
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Sio - a newish MP - has a problem with taking an oath in anything other than Samoan from the press reports. It's a big day for him and he wants special treatment. Well there are 121 others who aren't demanding special consideration because they are foreigners. He wants to publicly announce and record his loyalty to Samoa? to Samoans? That is effectively what he is doing.
It is discourteous to wish to change the procedures and the tradition - and indeed the law - just because he's an electorate MP now - on that basis alone he has no mandate, but to demand to swear his oath of office in a foreign language is beyond that, it's insulting.
I recall that newbies in the Greens, like Nandor, have tried to change the oath when they were taking it - possibly Meteria Turei also. I think they added "and Te Tiriti o Waitangi" to their oaths and were made to repeat it without it by the Clerk. I think that was in his first term. I applaud them for that actually - they made their point on that occasion. But what Sio is suggesting is entirely another matter.
He boasts that Samoan is the second most spoken language in Mangere. Well, I dare say Afrikaans is in East Coast bays, and Chinese is in Mt Albert. What of it? The Labour MP Harry Dynhoven renewed his Dutch citizenship (and should have been kicked out of parliament for having done so but was saved by Jonathan Hunt and Labour). Did he demand to be sworn in - in Dutch? No. Ashraf Chaudray? Rajeen Prasad? Pansy Wong? No.
Sio must understand that he is joining a tradition of New Zealand. His oath is that he is joining the tradition - not changing it unilaterally - and certainly not altering it to include elements of a foreign nation.
Many things need to change about parliament, like the opening prayer, but I can't see a Samoan voting to dump institutional Christianity. I have said it often enough - if you want to be an MP you have to renounce your citizenship of other nations. This sort of thing happens when you don't have this rule. It's nefarious.
ZB reporting:
Labour's Sua William Sio has received a letter from Parliamentary Services rejecting his request to be sworn in in Samoan because of limited time. He says he is going to Parliament not just as an MP for Mangere, but for all Samoans and it is the second most spoken language in his electorate.
Idiot/Savant:
This is needlessly shitty. As a tolerant, diverse, and multicultural nation, New Zealand should not be engaging in this sort of puerile linguistic imperialism. Something as simple as an oath or declaration should be able to be made in any language, not just English or Maori.
Please. Puerile is apt all right - of Sio and I/S. What a preposterous precedent that would set. Would a person who came from NZ demand to swear an oath in Maori in the Samoan parliament? Does the Premier of South Australia (a New Zealander) demand to swear his oath in Maori? Please. Imperialism!? The only colonisation going on here is by Samoans. He is swearing an oath to New Zealand and New Zealanders - not Samoa and Samoans. I think he forgets that. It is in times of multiculturalism and diversity that common bonds are needed more than ever.
Sio can't stomp around in the wharenui in his gumboots. Even if that's what they do in Samoa. It is not intolerant or "needlessly shitty" to inform new members that there is a set procedure. If the procedure in Samoa lasts all day and is conducted in Samoan then it would be discourteous of any new Samoan MPs to demand that because they come from New Zealand that three of them want to cluster around the clerk and make their sacred incantations NZ-style in English or Maori very quickly and then shuffle off without observing the same tikanga as everyone else. That would be unacceptable.
Indulgences are taken elsewhere - especially in valedictory speeches - where the normally strict protocols are loosened, but swearing the oath of office isn't one of those moments, it is an important constitutional issue.
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It is unfortunate that while so many charities accept non-cash gifts such as donating cars, stocks or durable goods, few of them handle this task themselves. This practice, involving a partnership of for-profit firms who manage the towing and paperwork with the charity itself, often result in a perfectly good car though it may need some minor work - being sold at a wholesale auction. Very often these cars are sent out for parts or sold elsewhere for yet another profit that goes to for-profit car lots (often those that prey upon low-income folks with few options) rather than the charities that actually serve people who need transportation. Perhaps worst of all, donating your car to such a company results in a far lower allowable tax deduction when donating a car for tax break purposes. Of course, one of the most compelling why many people consider car donation past their prime is the hefty tax deduction benefit that many car donation services advertise. However, since 2005, the rules that govern how you may take your deduction have changed. Now, you are only able to deduct (from your Form 1040, Schedule A, Itemized Deduction worksheet) the amount that was actually delivered to the charity of your choice. As such, when donating a car, you want to make sure you and the non-profit organization both get the most for your car as possible. Generally, no matter how you go about donating, cars are either sold as is, refurbished and sold, or refurbished and given away. While the first option is most often subject to the very tight fist of the wholesale automotive market, the other 2 options usually allow you to take a much higher deduction that is more likely to be in line with the actual “fair market value” of your car. Your best bet for a good-sized deduction when donating your car, however, is to find someone who can actually use the vehicle or fix it up. From a charitable standpoint, perhaps the best option is utilizing a charity to help match you with someone in your community that needs a car to get to an anti aging skin care and beauty product for work or to take the kids to daycare. There are many reasons why people need vehicles and quite a few places (and even municipalities and governments) that will facilitate this sort of charitable exchange between people. There are also instances where donating a car is a chance to teach people in the community how to fix cars. This is especially true of vehicles that aren't too badly damaged, but are in otherwise good enough shape to warrant a single major repair, especially if it is more labor intensive than reliant upon expensive parts. You need to do some very careful evaluation to see if donating a car for educational use is a good option. If so, your local high school, college or even police department are all perfectly legal and potentially useful places to go about donating a car you no longer need or want.
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